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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
		<link>http://jamesdanderfer.com/2010/05/cbc-marsalis-overthinkers/comment-page-1/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My shit disturbing polemic.


The definition of jazz is now so broad that it has essentially become meaningless. 
This may be because the use of the word jazz is one of the most bastardized in English.
Admittedly, jazz is very hard to define. Still, one must try, and I maintain that some people have a very good idea of what jazz is. Who ARE these people, who have a good idea of what jazz is and where it belongs? The answer is surprising. Wait for it.

Here&#039;s the basic problem with our lack of clarity about what jazz music IS.
As far as JAZZ festivals go, the label &#039;jazz&#039; seems to INCLUDE everything. Music from all disciplines and locales is fair game. However the mainstream of jazz music itself is EXCLUDED from all manner of music festivals with labels like Mariposa, Caribana, Folk, Blues, Classical, Mozart, and so on. (I&#039;ve never seen a BeBop band invited to play at The Mariposa Folk Festival or a BLUES festival for example, even though there may be as much blues in any Bebop band as there is in any bluesy blues band, and the be-bop band is made up of Folks!)

Therefore,  it seems that the world&#039;s non jazz-music festivals have no problem defining &#039;jazz&#039; and understanding where it belongs, or more to the point, where it DOESN&#039;T belong! Yes, THESE are the people who know what jazz is! And it sure as hell isn&#039;t going to be in their festivals!

It would be wonderful if the Jazz impresarios had the same understanding and clear definition of jazz music as the non-jazz venues&#039; booking agents!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My shit disturbing polemic.</p>
<p>The definition of jazz is now so broad that it has essentially become meaningless.<br />
This may be because the use of the word jazz is one of the most bastardized in English.<br />
Admittedly, jazz is very hard to define. Still, one must try, and I maintain that some people have a very good idea of what jazz is. Who ARE these people, who have a good idea of what jazz is and where it belongs? The answer is surprising. Wait for it.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the basic problem with our lack of clarity about what jazz music IS.<br />
As far as JAZZ festivals go, the label &#8216;jazz&#8217; seems to INCLUDE everything. Music from all disciplines and locales is fair game. However the mainstream of jazz music itself is EXCLUDED from all manner of music festivals with labels like Mariposa, Caribana, Folk, Blues, Classical, Mozart, and so on. (I&#8217;ve never seen a BeBop band invited to play at The Mariposa Folk Festival or a BLUES festival for example, even though there may be as much blues in any Bebop band as there is in any bluesy blues band, and the be-bop band is made up of Folks!)</p>
<p>Therefore,  it seems that the world&#8217;s non jazz-music festivals have no problem defining &#8216;jazz&#8217; and understanding where it belongs, or more to the point, where it DOESN&#8217;T belong! Yes, THESE are the people who know what jazz is! And it sure as hell isn&#8217;t going to be in their festivals!</p>
<p>It would be wonderful if the Jazz impresarios had the same understanding and clear definition of jazz music as the non-jazz venues&#8217; booking agents!</p>
<p>C</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Eby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Eby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 02:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone who takes jason&#039;s &quot;rant&quot; as being, as a rule, anti-modern either a) has never talked to him in any real depth about music, b) has never heard jason play, c) harbors typical &quot;anti-marsalis&quot; tendencies, or d) all of the above...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone who takes jason&#8217;s &#8220;rant&#8221; as being, as a rule, anti-modern either a) has never talked to him in any real depth about music, b) has never heard jason play, c) harbors typical &#8220;anti-marsalis&#8221; tendencies, or d) all of the above&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Doheny</title>
		<link>http://jamesdanderfer.com/2010/05/cbc-marsalis-overthinkers/comment-page-1/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doheny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@guy.

Answer is yes. cool cache. When someone (like, say Sade), describes their music as &quot;Neuvo Jazz,&quot; they&#039;re reaching for a sophisticated, cosmopolitan affect that their music might not actually possess.

As for Jason&#039;s rant, one thing you learn very quickly in New Orleans is that the Marsalis&#039;s, father and sons, are not nearly as starchy and didactic as they sometimes come off in print. They also love polemics, which is really just a ten dollar white guy word for shit disturbing. Take it with a grain of salt.

It seems to me that there&#039;s two sides to this issue. There&#039;s the &#039;appropriation&#039; of the term &#039;jazz&#039; by popster arrivistes anxious to have their music taken more seriously, and there&#039;s that section of the avant guard jazz community who insist that &#039;jazz&#039; is pretty much any improvised music. These latter tend to be Europeans (or wanna be Europeans) who are working in forms not informed by a blues tradition. To quote another Marsalis (Wynton) blues in jazz is like roux in a gumbo. If it&#039;s not present, it&#039;s not gumbo, it&#039;s a soup. It may be an excellent soup, but it&#039;s not gumbo. East Indian classical music is all improvised within various forms, but it&#039;s not jazz. It has it&#039;s own vocabulary and traditions (HT to Morgan Childs for that one).

I honestly don&#039;t see a problem with this, but it&#039;s truly amazing the amount of hostility you can stir up in some circles by making a statement like that.</description>
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<p>Answer is yes. cool cache. When someone (like, say Sade), describes their music as &#8220;Neuvo Jazz,&#8221; they&#8217;re reaching for a sophisticated, cosmopolitan affect that their music might not actually possess.</p>
<p>As for Jason&#8217;s rant, one thing you learn very quickly in New Orleans is that the Marsalis&#8217;s, father and sons, are not nearly as starchy and didactic as they sometimes come off in print. They also love polemics, which is really just a ten dollar white guy word for shit disturbing. Take it with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>It seems to me that there&#8217;s two sides to this issue. There&#8217;s the &#8216;appropriation&#8217; of the term &#8216;jazz&#8217; by popster arrivistes anxious to have their music taken more seriously, and there&#8217;s that section of the avant guard jazz community who insist that &#8216;jazz&#8217; is pretty much any improvised music. These latter tend to be Europeans (or wanna be Europeans) who are working in forms not informed by a blues tradition. To quote another Marsalis (Wynton) blues in jazz is like roux in a gumbo. If it&#8217;s not present, it&#8217;s not gumbo, it&#8217;s a soup. It may be an excellent soup, but it&#8217;s not gumbo. East Indian classical music is all improvised within various forms, but it&#8217;s not jazz. It has it&#8217;s own vocabulary and traditions (HT to Morgan Childs for that one).</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t see a problem with this, but it&#8217;s truly amazing the amount of hostility you can stir up in some circles by making a statement like that.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://jamesdanderfer.com/2010/05/cbc-marsalis-overthinkers/comment-page-1/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 06:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes AA, writing ideas down DOES help.  Why do you think I keep on writing the SMNP?..&lt;em&gt;. it&#039;s keeping me sane!&lt;/em&gt;... just.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes AA, writing ideas down DOES help.  Why do you think I keep on writing the SMNP?..<em>. it&#8217;s keeping me sane!</em>&#8230; just.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Zhao</title>
		<link>http://jamesdanderfer.com/2010/05/cbc-marsalis-overthinkers/comment-page-1/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda Zhao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes if you think you&#039;re over-thinking, maybe writing all your thoughts down will be a good idea! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes if you think you&#8217;re over-thinking, maybe writing all your thoughts down will be a good idea! <img src='http://jamesdanderfer.com/news/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy, there&#039;s no doubt the term &quot;jazz&quot; has cool cache that many creative musicians want to cling to.  And really, they need to be able to say &lt;strong&gt;something&lt;/strong&gt; when asked &lt;em&gt;&quot;What kind of music do you play?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;  That&#039;s why I am hereby reinstating the term &quot;fusion.&quot;  I know, I know, you&#039;re already getting visions of pastel sports jackets and 80&#039;s hair but I believe &quot;fusion&quot; is due for a comeback.  It&#039;s already a staple term in &lt;em&gt;haute cuisine&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy, there&#8217;s no doubt the term &#8220;jazz&#8221; has cool cache that many creative musicians want to cling to.  And really, they need to be able to say <strong>something</strong> when asked <em>&#8220;What kind of music do you play?&#8221;</em>  That&#8217;s why I am hereby reinstating the term &#8220;fusion.&#8221;  I know, I know, you&#8217;re already getting visions of pastel sports jackets and 80&#8242;s hair but I believe &#8220;fusion&#8221; is due for a comeback.  It&#8217;s already a staple term in <em>haute cuisine</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 23:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here here! (Or is that Hear, hear? Or Here Hear? Or perchance Hear here? I, too, tend to overthink things.) For years I&#039;ve been lamenting the fact that the term &quot;jazz&quot; seems to be a catch-all for any unidentifiable form of music. Everyone&#039;s fine with any other type of music getting a label but for some reason you&#039;re closed-minded if you label jazz. And why does everyone want their music to be labeled jazz anyway? Does it have some sort of cool cache?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here! (Or is that Hear, hear? Or Here Hear? Or perchance Hear here? I, too, tend to overthink things.) For years I&#8217;ve been lamenting the fact that the term &#8220;jazz&#8221; seems to be a catch-all for any unidentifiable form of music. Everyone&#8217;s fine with any other type of music getting a label but for some reason you&#8217;re closed-minded if you label jazz. And why does everyone want their music to be labeled jazz anyway? Does it have some sort of cool cache?</p>
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